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 subhosubhoCruiserweight Champion6 years agoLikeReply
 
nixing the whole MitB concept won't be a good idea..because ever since the first MitB match in 2005, all the matches have been classics and put in the "Best matches of the year" category..but yes, the pay-per view must be nixed and there must be only one match at WrestleMania..also in the past few years the MitB winners have been built very weakly..and there title reigns seem nothing..if done correctly, they too can achieve the glory matching the likes of Edge...and yes, title reigns need to be longer...there were more than two dozen World Heavyweight and WWE title changes in the past year...if the IC champion and US champion can have 5-6 months reigns and still be credible, then why not the bigger champions...
 TheMan__X Division Champion6 years agoLikeReply
 
TheMan says: Shawn Hickenbottomfeeder was not a big star. In the words of Monkie, he never drew a dime in his career. There is a huge illusion that he was this huge star when he really wasn't.

TheMan continues: Now to answer the question about guys getting titles too early or late, we live in a different time, a different era. Believe it or not, things are significantly different than they were in the 80s and 90s, and even during the Attitude Era. Fans are guilty. Fans are more impatient now. They want guys to win the title and win it now. But also now there are more PPVs. You have to have title changes with all those PPVs. Also, with no importance on mid-card titles and tag titles, it's either you're in the title picture or doing nothing.  The best way to slowly groom a world champion is by having significant midcard titles. Bret Hart and Hickenslut held the tag and IC titles first. HHH had the IC title. It is just hard to compare eras with the internet, more PPVs, the attention span of fans etc...
 Herr NitestalkerHerr Nitestalker *
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Hall Of Famer6 years agoLikeReply
 
I agree, making the money in the bank into a separate ppv was just a dumb idea.  They should keep it as a once a year thing at wrestlemania.  I also agree that the WWE does not allow their young stars to develop naturally anymore.  They bring them up into singles competition and within a year or two they are usually pushed into the main event spotlight, and as you said, whether they are ready or not.  These are just a couple of the issues that need to be addressed in the current situation of the WWE.  Great blog!
 UTStingWM30Cruiserweight Champion6 years agoLikeReply
 
Not sure if this pertains to this blog or not ( I think it does), but thought it was wroth mentioning regardless. What the superstars like HBK, HHH, Taker (just cause he doesn't wrestle much, doesn't mean he's pretty much retired. That word needs to go), Bret, and guys from that era/year had is the territories. That's where you learned & mastered your craft. From there, WCW to ECW (or ECW to WCW), then to WWE. It took them years to get to WWE. If they did what the superstars of today are doing (today's stars really have no other option. I mean they could do indy's before hitting WWE, but...), I'm not so sure they'd be as successful as they were. This is just my opinion, but I think today's stars need that shortcut to be credible. Who really deserves a long World Title reign? They're not at the level of guys like Austin, Rock, etc yet. When they get there, they won't need the "shortcut". I don't think this shortcut as you call it devalues Championships. MITB happens once a year. Who on the current roster aside from maybe Cena (don't like the guy. But he's a workhorse), Punk & Orton are ready, willing and able to hold the Title for a whole year or even half a year? With being Champion comes a lot of responsibility. What devalues the Titles IMO are (1) Too many belts and more importantly (2) Way too many Title changes in the year. Since MITB is only once a year either as a ppv or as WM match, I don't believe MITB is at fault here.

Also I don't feel you're taking into consideration....the fans. They LOVE MITB. It's one of the most watched matches of the year. So much so it had its own ppv! I don't think that would've happened if it wasn't so popular. If you don't give the fans what you want, you're basically screwed cause you get money from them. Since MITB is popular with the fans, until its popularity runs out, I guess it's gonna stay. And by fans, I mean those who pay to order ppv's and attend shows since it's them WWE are getting money from.

These are just my opinions.

 el_vince19Jobber6 years agoLikeReply
 
Liked your blog and I agree with some point. I don't thinkl that in this point and time, WWE can wait 4-8 years to make a star because their "stars" are about all in the end of their career so they have to build the younger ones. Now the IWC are all saying that the IC and US champ are useless now, yet everyone agrees that the two next big stars might just be Rhodes and Ziggler (IC and US champ for most part of the year) I said it and say it again, I think that the wwe is currently on the right direction in some point.
 
One other thing, we don't want Cena, Orton or HHH to be champions, but yet this year they put ADR, Punk, Miz, Henry and no, we're not happy. How can we, we don't know what we actually want. I for one, liked 2011 because they pushed new faces around. What I didn't like is that Raw and Smackdown are just boring sketches with so little wrestling. We got one 15-20 minutes fight that always end in controversy and a bunch of 5 minutes matches. I remembers a couple of years ago, the 10pm slot was usually a 15-20 minutes fight and then a little sketch by 1030 to finish with a 20-30 minutes match to end the show. That was fun to watch. Now we have Santino do some weird and boring sketch (It was fun at first but not after 3 years) and we have Otunga with Laurinaitis... That says it all.

As for MITB, I agree that it was better when it was at wrestlemania but I think that the contract should be change so that the winner can't just come after a grueling match by the champion, do his finisher and win. It should be like RVD did the second year. You can choose when you want your championship match but you must choose a later show and you actually wrestle a real match. That way, the championship would have more value and it would be possible to actually build a good match up following wreslemania, where there is usually less build up until summerslam. Also, I would come back to 6 wrestlers and actually 4-5 that are actual contender, the other 1-2 spots for high flyers. I agree with your blog jerichoolic because just take CM Punk for example. His win over Cena at MITB this year would have been so much more if this would have been his first championship but no, he already had to weak, cheap and short championship reign because of MITB.
 Word Life 05Word Life 05Jobber6 years agoLikeReply
 
Really good blog. I agree with a lot of what you said, but here's my view

WWE is obviously lacking in main event talent. But when you think it about, there is not much they can do with the current talent in WWE. Cena became the main eventer and star he is today in WWE for (a number of reasons), but for one very important reasons. Look who he had to work with or help get him over: Angle, Lesnar, Taker, Guerrero, Rikishi, Benoit, Booker T, RVD, JBL, Big Show in his prime (well atleast better than he is now), Goldberg, Shawn Michaels, Edge ect. The list goes on and on.

Now if you look at a different up and comer on the current roster (like Rhodes). who does he have to work with or help him get over? There's Cena, Orton, maybe Christian and Punk. After about 4 or 5 feuds, there won't be that good feuds left to help him get over if he is not already by this point (of course, this is just a hypothetical)

Cena was blessed with having such amazing talent around him to work with, that there was never really a boring or meaningless feud for him. And like you said, he was given a mid card title (the US Title) to help push his career. And to make it even better, he won at Wrestlemania vs the Big Show. Half the people the come out on Raw barely get a reaction. Ryder has a small fan base, Punk actually doesn't get that big of a reaction, Ziggler (who is very good) only gets a reaction with Vickie, Swagger gets no reaction, ect. And Smackdown is filled with canned reactions (Dibiase and Sheamus).

And of the 33 superstars that you listed that have not won a title yet, just about none of them deserve it. Can you really see most of them as future main eventers?

Unfortunately, the reasons you suggested for building a big star (such as getting rid of the Money in the Bank) won't work because that's the only way people get over these days that are not already established. I don't understand why the longer title reigns are not happening, because the talent is so thin for worthy champions that a long title reign is necessary.   
 UTStingWM30Cruiserweight Champion6 years agoLikeReply
 
@el_vince 19: I do agree with some of what you said:

- I don't think that in this point and time, WWE can wait 4-8 years to make a star because their "stars" are about all in the end of their career so they have to build the younger ones.

- One other thing, we don't want Cena, Orton or HHH to be champions, but yet this year they put ADR, Punk, Miz, Henry and no, we're not happy. How can we, we don't know what we actually want.

- I for one, liked 2011 because they pushed new faces around


- WWE is obviously lacking in main event talent. But when you think it about, there is not much they can do with the current talent in WWE. Cena became the main eventer and star he is today in WWE for (a number of reasons), but for one very important reasons. Look who he had to work with or help get him over: Angle, Lesnar, Taker, Guerrero, Rikishi, Benoit, Booker T, RVD, JBL, Big Show in his prime (well atleast better than he is now), Goldberg, Shawn Michaels, Edge ect. The list goes on and on.

@World Life 05: I agree with you too.

 manutddjwJobber6 years agoLikeReply
 
The problem is guys are elevated and given the title for the sole reason of being credible opponents for Cena or Orton (nothing wrong with that they are the only real top guys), but then after the feud is over its back down the ladder and they don't do much with them after the fact, until Cena and Orton need someone else to beat a few months later and then the cycle starts again.

Its the same thing they have been doing with Big Show and Kane for years. Every once in awhile they'll build them up to be monsters and when the feud they became monsters again is done with, they go into a tag team or doing comedic segments, until they are needed again.

There is zero staying power in the main event scene unless you're John Cena or Randy Orton.
 JerichoholicX Division Champion6 years agoLikeReply
 
Thanks for the feedback - interesting comments all around - it seems that you get my point but most of you would keep MITB at Mania... at least it would be a step in the right direction... but i get the popularity and commercial appeal of a MITB ladder match... Interesting debate

The Money in the Bank is just a part of the problem though.

Other huge problems in WWE right now are:

The "draft" - why have separate rosters when people can turn up on whatever show they want, and then there are Raw supershows lmao... the brand split at the moment is ridiculous. Either split it properly or get rid of it and unify the belts. This half-way stuff sucks!

PPVs - too many and too gimmicky - devaluing the prestige of a PPV event, devaluing the once great gimmick matches like Hell in a Cell and devaluing feuds as there is not enough time to build them.

I'm pretty sure i have other blogs on these topics on this site (might be a while ago, i rarely write blogs), but if not i'll do one up soon.

Anyway, for the benefit of Ziggler's career, I hope he loses at the rumble.
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Hall Of Famer6 years agoLikeReply
 
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I agree, making the money in the bank into a separate ppv was just a dumb idea.  They should keep it as a once a year thing at wrestlemania.  I also agree that the WWE does not allow their young stars to develop naturally anymore.  They bring them up into singles competition and within a year or two they are usually pushed into the main event spotlight, and as you said, whether they are ready or not.  These are just a couple of the issues that need to be addressed in the current situation of the WWE.  Great blog!
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What flavor kool aid were you thinking of going for a swim in? Cult was thinking about preparing for WM.

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I havn't decided yet.  Perhaps I'll leave that for the loser to decide.  And since you are a loser, and since I will beat your ass at WM 28, I will let you decide...

In the mean time take a drink of your own kool-aid...  Not just a drink, but drain your entire jug....  Once you're done that, take that jug....  flip it sideways... and shove it straight up your candyass!!.... have a nice day! 
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